NOT the Sermon
NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
Episodes

4 days ago
Episode 119: Duodenum
4 days ago
4 days ago
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are riding the high of internet fame. In Shooting the Skybalon, they break down their viral Instagram video that somehow racked up 6.9 million views. Then in Mega Church Minute, they talk about the trend of celebrities becoming Christians and immediately launching a preaching career. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with doctrinal unity versus uniformity—and whether Christians actually need to agree on everything.
It's viral, it's convicting, it's Not the Sermon
4 days ago
46 min

Aug 17, 2026
Episode 118: Sarcastic Fringehead
Aug 17, 2026
Aug 17, 2026
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are talking lawn mowers and last rites. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric tells the story of surviving an outdoor funeral in brutal August heat. In Shady Theology, they get into the wild story of a young man told by a prophet to literally eat a page out of the Bible. Then in a brand new game called Fish or Fake?, Eric has to guess if a bunch of weird names are actual fish or just made up nonsense. Finally, in Bible Says Whaaaat, they dig into whether Jesus lied about skipping the Festival of Booths, plus the strange world of Old Testament thigh oaths.
It's sweaty, it's silly, it's Not the Sermon.
Aug 17, 2026
46 min

Aug 10, 2026
Episode 117: Catching Strays
Aug 10, 2026
Aug 10, 2026
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with a backhanded compliment and Eric's questionable trip to the zoo. In Houston, We Have a Question, Sermonots ask about Jesus' ideal walk-in music, the effects of the fall, and, uh, animal romance. In So Help Meme God, they tackle the age-old question: does God have a sense of humor? Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they debate just how important church buildings really are to worship.
It's silly, it's sincere, it's Not the Sermon.
Aug 10, 2026
46 min

Aug 3, 2026
Episode 116: Prophets Night Out
Aug 3, 2026
Aug 3, 2026
45 min
Your perfect blend of comedy and theology is back for SEASON 4!! Jamie & Eric return for a new season of sacramental shenanigans.This episode kicks off with the cutest Skybalon intro from a few of our Sermonot fans!
For the Bible Says What!? they discuss the story of a prophet who proph-uh-lied. In Odd News they share the story of the "Batman Subway Experiment" and finally, in Shady Theology, you get Jamie & Eric's take on the "eye for an eye" Pastor, Tony Spell, and the issue of self defense vs assault. Stay tuned until the end to hear new NTS Original song for Season 4: "Eye of the Sermon".
Aug 3, 2026
45 min

Jul 27, 2026
Jul 27, 2026
24 min
In this Summer Short Short we are joined again by Jamie's better half, Tiffany, where Jamie shares the curious case of the the curse of the blue solo cup! New full episodes coming soon! Tune in for Season 4 where we continue to provide the perfect blend of theology and comedy!
Jul 27, 2026
24 min

Jul 20, 2026
A Midsummer Pester: How Should Pastors Dress
Jul 20, 2026
Jul 20, 2026
31 min
In this midsummer treat we have a special Midsummer Pester the Pastor! The guys talk about how Jamie was featured on a major Christian social media page...about the way he dressed! They talk about pastor fashion and whether or not it even matter how a pastor dresses on Sundays.
Jul 20, 2026
31 min
![[REPOST] How to talk with an Atheist w/ Michael Fincher](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog17412881/Bonus_Episode_Atheist_g9s6sk_300x300.jpg)
Jul 13, 2026
Jul 13, 2026
54 min
This episode is one of our most listened to of all time. In Season 1, Eric and Jamie were joined by professing atheist Michael Fincher.
Have you ever talked with an atheist before? The dialogue between Christians and atheists has been strained by years of "boogeyman" stories and a general misunderstanding of each other's culture.
On this Bonus Hot Take Episode Jamie and Eric are joined by a professing atheist, Michael Fincher. Michael and the NTS crew talk about science, ethics, and how Atheist meetups are a buzzkill. They talk about shared values and what Christians and atheists can do to better understand each other.
Jul 13, 2026
54 min

Jul 6, 2026
Jul 6, 2026
46 min
In this episode, Jamie and Eric are joined by Leah Crouse. Born without arms or legs, Leah's story of faith and overcoming adversity has reached millions across the US through her social media platforms. A graduate of Lee University with a degree in Bible and Theology, Leah shares — in her first-ever podcast appearance — the challenges she's faced and how her faith in Jesus has inspired her to live a life without limits. Enjoy!
Jul 6, 2026
46 min

Jun 29, 2026
Midsummer Shady: Can Christians Eat Pork?
Jun 29, 2026
Jun 29, 2026
29 min
Join us for a little midsummer shady (theology) as Eric and Jamie discuss whether Christian can eat pork, or if any of the dietary laws in the Old Testament are relevant to today. Each week we will be posting our favorite episodes [Reposts] or a a brand new Summer Short Short. New full episodes return in August!
Jun 29, 2026
29 min
![[REPOST] Episode 82: Happy Caw](https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog17412881/NTS_Ep82_Ep_Graphic7blkq_300x300.jpg)
Jun 22, 2026
[REPOST] Episode 82: Happy Caw
Jun 22, 2026
Jun 22, 2026
49 min
Enjoy the only episode in existence of all of our podcast hosts together in one room!In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric accidentally plays a clip with a not-so-holy word during a staff meeting. In Shady Theology, the guys dig into the theology of speaking in tongues—what it is, what it’s for, and why it still matters. Next up in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a “prodigal” worship song with a special guest (hint, hint). Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they ask if multi-level marketing has any place in the church—or if it’s just spiritual spam.
It’s raw, funny, and loaded with the mix of memes and theology you didn’t know you needed—welcome to Not the Sermon.
Jun 22, 2026
49 min

Episode Spotlight!
#41 "Show Me Your Heresy"
Release Date 10/14/2024
In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk discuss the Christian zombie apocalypse, whether or not Christians should celebrate Halloween,and how a stale cookie started "Crumblgate" in Australia.




