NOT the Sermon
NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
Episodes

4 days ago
4 days ago
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are seeing double. In Shooting the Skybalon, they talk about clones and debate whether "your dog is waiting for you in heaven" counts as an evangelism strategy. In Your Greek is Showing, they unpack how the word for "witness" is the same word that gives us "martyr," and what that means for anyone who says they follow Jesus. Then, in Odd News, it's Christian metal band Demon Hunter vs. Netflix's KPop Demon Hunters. Finally, in The Bible Says What?!, Paul goes full apostolic smackdown and strikes Elymas the sorcerer blind.
It's cloned, it's chaotic, it's Not the Sermon.
4 days ago
46 min

Oct 5, 2026
Oct 5, 2026
47 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric check in on their health, with mixed results. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric gives the report from his doctor visit while Jamie walks us through his slow physical demise. In Weird Worship, they ask whether every way of collecting the offering is actually a good one. Then, in Mega Church Minute, they look at how mega churches are bouncing back from the Covid decline. Finally, in Shady Theology, they put pastoral boundaries on trial: are they healthy and biblical or are they unrealistic?
It's healthy-ish, it's honest, it's Not the Sermon
Oct 5, 2026
47 min

Sep 28, 2026
Episode 124: Lizard Love in the Morning
Sep 28, 2026
Sep 28, 2026
44 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric weigh in on Ice-T vs. Ice Cube, and Jamie drops a prayer request that threw him for a loop. In Houston, We Have a Question, the Sermonots want to know what to make of Deion Sanders speaking in tongues at a press conference. Then, in The Bible Says What?!, Moses grabs a bowl of blood and flings it on the people of Israel...yes, really. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they ask whether Christian actors should take on sinful roles.
It's ice cold, it's holy, it's Not the Sermon.
Sep 28, 2026
44 min

Sep 21, 2026
Episode 123: You've Got Some Face In Your Beard
Sep 21, 2026
Sep 21, 2026
42 min
In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric recaps taking his daughter to a football game while Jamie brags on the praise team's worship conference road trip. In Megachurch Minute, they dig into Lakepointe's 400 AI cameras and what that means for the future of church tech (and privacy). Then, in Odd News, they talk through the mushrooms that apparently make you see tiny people. Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with Jesus telling us to hate our family—what that actually means and why it's not the family-feud starter it sounds like.It's surveilled, it's psychedelic, it's Not the Sermon.
Sep 21, 2026
42 min

Sep 14, 2026
Episode 122: Sometimes It Be How It Do
Sep 14, 2026
Sep 14, 2026
47 min
In this episode, Eric nearly cause a Sermonot casualty, and no one can agree on Jamie's real age. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric recounts his near-miss with a listener. In Shady Theology, they dig into the "Death of a Pastor's Wife" documentary. In The Bible Says Whaaat?!, they cover the time a prophet slapped another prophet. And in Pester the Pastor, they get real about mid-life crises. It's reckless, it's ageless, it's Not the Sermon.
Sep 14, 2026
47 min

Sep 7, 2026
Episode 121: I Yeeted Their Beat
Sep 7, 2026
Sep 7, 2026
44 min
In this episode, Jamie and Eric and Jamie talk gadgets and LARPers! In Houston, We Have a Questions, they answer a listener question about whether or not people worship country flags and why "allegiance" might be a strong word. In So Help Meme God, they react to an epic hot mic moment (involving a hot dog suit?). Finally, In Weird Worship, they give their take on male modesty when they discuss the recent gym photos of Cory Asbury and Forest Frank.
It's another action packed episode of NOT the Sermon!
Sep 7, 2026
44 min

Aug 31, 2026
Episode 120: I'm Not Fat, I'm Just Dense
Aug 31, 2026
Aug 31, 2026
47 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric debate whether they could beat up their younger selves. In Your Greek is Showing, they unpack the Greek word behind "compassion" and why it's a lot less toxic than we think. Then, in How Great is Our Pod, they debut their spoof "This is a Manly Faith," a parody of "This is Amazing Grace." Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with forced evangelism and where the line is between boldness and bulldozing people.
Aug 31, 2026
47 min

Aug 24, 2026
Episode 119: Duodenum
Aug 24, 2026
Aug 24, 2026
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are riding the high of internet fame. In Shooting the Skybalon, they break down their viral Instagram video that somehow racked up 6.9 million views. Then in Mega Church Minute, they talk about the trend of celebrities becoming Christians and immediately launching a preaching career. Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with doctrinal unity versus uniformity—and whether Christians actually need to agree on everything.
It's viral, it's convicting, it's Not the Sermon
Aug 24, 2026
46 min

Aug 17, 2026
Episode 118: Sarcastic Fringehead
Aug 17, 2026
Aug 17, 2026
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are talking lawn mowers and last rites. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric tells the story of surviving an outdoor funeral in brutal August heat. In Shady Theology, they get into the wild story of a young man told by a prophet to literally eat a page out of the Bible. Then in a brand new game called Fish or Fake?, Eric has to guess if a bunch of weird names are actual fish or just made up nonsense. Finally, in Bible Says Whaaaat, they dig into whether Jesus lied about skipping the Festival of Booths, plus the strange world of Old Testament thigh oaths.
It's sweaty, it's silly, it's Not the Sermon.
Aug 17, 2026
46 min

Aug 10, 2026
Episode 117: Catching Strays
Aug 10, 2026
Aug 10, 2026
46 min
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with a backhanded compliment and Eric's questionable trip to the zoo. In Houston, We Have a Question, Sermonots ask about Jesus' ideal walk-in music, the effects of the fall, and, uh, animal romance. In So Help Meme God, they tackle the age-old question: does God have a sense of humor? Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they debate just how important church buildings really are to worship.
It's silly, it's sincere, it's Not the Sermon.
Aug 10, 2026
46 min

Episode Spotlight!
#41 "Show Me Your Heresy"
Release Date 10/14/2024
In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk discuss the Christian zombie apocalypse, whether or not Christians should celebrate Halloween,and how a stale cookie started "Crumblgate" in Australia.




