NOT the Sermon
NOT the Sermon is a podcast where two pastors talk about everything but the sermon. Jamie and Eric discuss faith, culture, and theology...all while roasting each other. If you are sick of sermon podcasts and are looking for a funny and refreshing take on Christian life, check out this blend of comedy and theology. Just remember, its NOT the sermon!
Episodes

Monday Oct 27, 2025
Episode 85: "The Goat is Coming"
Monday Oct 27, 2025
Monday Oct 27, 2025
You are in for special treat! This is an "on site" recording from a recent international trip that Jamie & Eric took. They give you on-the-ground information about the state of Christianity abroad and share some of the precious moments, mishaps, and delirium they experienced on the trip! [00:00:20] Part 1: Funny Stories [00:20:37] Part 2: Ministry Update [00:31:28] Part 3: Airport Lounge Wrap Up

Monday Oct 20, 2025
Episode 84: "I'd Rather Hunt Cows Than Deer"
Monday Oct 20, 2025
Monday Oct 20, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric are back from India… kind of. In Shooting the Skybalon, they talk planes, trains, and autorickshaws In The Bible Says What?!, they dive into wisdom literature and how it hilariously reminds us of how dumb we can be. Then in Communion Clapback, they respond to all the snarky social media comments. Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the idea of God’s wrath—what it is, what it isn’t, and why it’s not as simple as people think.
It’s global, theological, and just the right amount of unhinged—welcome to Not the Sermon.
00:00:14 – Shooting the Skybalon: Planes, trains, and autorickshaws
00:12:21 – The Bible Says What?!: The dumb man & Jezebel
00:22:02 – Communion Clapback: Responding to the comment section
00:34:57 – Shady Theology: God’s wrath

Monday Oct 13, 2025
Episode 83: "Did I Ruin the Eppy?"
Monday Oct 13, 2025
Monday Oct 13, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric start with Shooting the Skybalon, asking life’s tough questions: how much effort is too much when squeezing cheese out of the mac-and-cheese packet? Plus, Jamie shares how State Farm dumped him like a crazy ex—only to come crawling back. In Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a hot topic: should kids stay in the main service with their parents, or do they need their own space? Then in Odd News, things get bizarre with a scuba-suited man robbing a store at Disney Springs. Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, they open up the strange world of the Book of Enoch—complete with angels, demons, forbidden metallurgy, and claims the Catholic Church has been hiding it all.
It’s equal parts hilarious and thought-provoking—welcome to Not the Sermon.
00:00:15 – Shooting the Skybalon: Cheese packets & State Farm drama
00:11:16 – Pester the Pastor: Should kids be separated from adults in church?
00:23:17 – Odd News: Scuba gear robbery at Disney Springs
00:31:45 – Christian Conspiracies: The Book of EnochWanna support the ministry of NOT the Sermon and see some behind the scene footage and inbetween segment insults? Check us out on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon

Monday Oct 06, 2025
Episode 82: "Happy Caw"
Monday Oct 06, 2025
Monday Oct 06, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick off with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric accidentally plays a clip with a not-so-holy word during a staff meeting. In Shady Theology, the guys dig into the theology of speaking in tongues—what it is, what it’s for, and why it still matters. Next up in How Great is Our Pod, they debut a “prodigal” worship song with a special guest (hint, hint). Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they ask if multi-level marketing has any place in the church—or if it’s just spiritual spam.
It’s raw, funny, and loaded with the mix of memes and theology you didn’t know you needed—welcome to Not the Sermon.
00:00:13 – Shooting the Skybalon: Bad words in a staff meeting
00:11:06 – Shady Theology: Speaking in tongues
00:24:41 – How Great is Our Pod: A prodigal worship song
00:38:23 – Pester the Pastor: MLMs in the churchWanna see these ugly mugs and get behind the scenes footage? Check out our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/c/NOTtheSermon

Monday Sep 29, 2025
Episode 81: "That's When My Balloon Tiger Popped"
Monday Sep 29, 2025
Monday Sep 29, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Eric dives into the strange world of the Amish Mafia and Jamie talks about staff meeting word games. In Weird Worship, they ask if there’s a secret worship cabal—are just a handful of people running the whole industry? Then it’s on to Odd News, where they debate whether becoming a Christian actually makes you “hotter.” Finally, in Pester the Pastor, they wrestle with a practical question: is it okay for churches to track metrics like attendance and giving?
It’s bizarre, hilarious, and just the right mix of memes and ministry—welcome to Not the Sermon.
00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Amish Mafia & word games
00:09:32 – Weird Worship: The worship cabal
00:23:37 – Odd News: Are Christians hotter?
00:33:04 – Pester the Pastor: Should churches track metrics?

Monday Sep 22, 2025
Episode 80: "Smoking On Gas Station Theology"
Monday Sep 22, 2025
Monday Sep 22, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, swapping stories about college football heartbreak and debating whether you’ve got a “bestie” or a “worstie.” In Shady Theology, they wrestle with the tough question: Does God cause natural disasters? Then in Pester the Pastor, Eric manages to trigger Jamie during a heated discussion on small groups—are they helpful or just hype? Finally, in Christian Conspiracies, the guys dive into a wild one: was John the Baptist actually the real Messiah?
00:00:17 – Shooting the Skybalon: College football & besties vs. worsties
00:12:47 – Shady Theology: Does God cause natural disasters?
00:24:44 – Pester the Pastor: Eric triggers Jamie about small groups
00:35:09 – Christian Conspiracies: Was John the Baptist the real Messiah?

Monday Sep 15, 2025
Episode 79: "Man Shame"
Monday Sep 15, 2025
Monday Sep 15, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric open with Shooting the Skybalon, where Jamie leaves Phoenix an unfortunate voicemail and Eric ends up with a female locksmith story he can’t shake. In Weird Worship, the guys unpack the social media spat between Cory Asbury and Forrest Frank—asking if worship leaders should rise above the drama and act as role models. Next, in Houston, We Have a Question, they dive into the confusing world of end-times theology by asking the big one: Who is the Antichrist? Finally, in The Bible Says What!?, they wrestle with Paul telling the Judaizers he wishes they’d castrate themselves, plus an obscure Ecclesiastes passage about casting your bread.
00:00:19 – Shooting the Skybalon: Voicemails & locksmith stories
00:12:30 – Weird Worship: Cory Asbury & Forrest Frank drama
00:27:48 – Houston, We Have a Question: Who is the Antichrist?
00:36:35 – The Bible Says What?!: Judaizers & casting your bread

Monday Sep 08, 2025
Episode 78: "An Enraged Chimpanzee in a Small Cage"
Monday Sep 08, 2025
Monday Sep 08, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric kick things off with Shooting the Skybalon, where a Sermonot takes a stab at interpreting Eric’s dream, and Jamie goes off on people who insist on backing into parking spaces. In Pester the Pastor, the guys dig into the Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule and whether it’s wisdom or overkill. Then, in How Great is Our Pod, they debut Goodbye Sanity—a parody of Elevation Rhythm’s Goodbye Yesterday that you’ll never hear in church (for good reason). Finally, in Shady Theology, they wrestle with the rapture—what it is, where it came from, and why it might not mean what you think.
00:00:16 – Shooting the Skybalon: Dream interpreters & parking space rants
00:10:25 – Pester the Pastor: The Billy Graham/Mike Pence Rule
00:23:33 – How Great is Our Pod: Goodbye Sanity parody
00:31:57 – Shady Theology: The Rapture

Monday Sep 01, 2025
Episode 77: "Gees Croyce"
Monday Sep 01, 2025
Monday Sep 01, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric serve up a fresh round of theology, comedy, and chaos. In Shooting the Skybalon, Jamie tells the story of a fine dining experience that somehow featured a DJ, while Eric shares about catching a stray “Pharisee” insult in the church foyer. Next, in Shady Theology, the guys dive into stories of people claiming to visit heaven—are they legit or just tall tales? Over in So Help Meme God, they can’t stop laughing at “Gees Croyse We Luv U, God,” a viral moment featuring an overly excited guy breakdancing for Jesus. Finally, in Eric’s Edumakation, Eric breaks down the major atonement theories, why they exist, and why they actually matter for everyday faith.

Monday Aug 25, 2025
Episode 76: "MOOOODALISM"
Monday Aug 25, 2025
Monday Aug 25, 2025
In this episode, Jamie & Eric bring you MOOODALISM!!! and everything that comes with it. In Shooting the Skybalon, Eric owns up to a Facebook joke about compassion that may have landed a little too harsh, while Jamie recounts a mishap at a funeral. In Houston, We Have a Question, the guys tackle the big one: Modalism vs. the Trinity—why it matters, and how to keep your theology straight. Over in Weird Worship, they riff on Brandon Lake’s push for worship songs that actually connect with the average Christian—yes, even Bubba. And in Pester the Pastor, they dig into how to respond when prophecy goes sideways and weigh in on the latest Shawn Bolz controversy.
00:00:12 – Shooting the Skybalon: Eric’s compassion post joke & Jamie’s funeral mishap
00:09:20 – Houston, We Have a Question: Modalism vs. the Trinity
00:24:22 – Weird Worship: Brandon Lake, Bubba, and worship songs for the average Christian
00:36:31 – Pester the Pastor: Responding to false prophecy & the Shawn Bolz accusations

Episode Spotlight!
#41 "Show Me Your Heresy"
Release Date 10/14/2024
In this episode, Jamie & Eric talk discuss the Christian zombie apocalypse, whether or not Christians should celebrate Halloween,and how a stale cookie started "Crumblgate" in Australia.




